Trust the dubs to pick that one. How do people even attend that place.
paduan
Trust the dubs to pick that one. How do people even attend that place.
paduan
my dearest brother in christ, fiver... may you have peace!.
thank you for your "second" witness to the truth regarding what we can/should give for our "friends".
to paduan and joe malik... may you both have peace... and may i take this opportunity to respond to the issue of james, blood and holy spirit?
Sounds like a good expose of the actual story behind it - though I believe that He (the Holy Spirit) thought it good to inspire the apostles that we should keep this law in mind; a thousand years being but a day.
paduan
Edited by - A paduan on 2 September 2002 7:27:22
more than 20 years ago, before i baptised, i reached the conclusion that the words of the bible are not inspired by god but only the global ideas.
the reason why i reached that conclusion is based on hebrews 6:18 "through to unchageable things in which it is imposible for god to lie" and the title of a famous book written by the jw.
the idea i developed was the following: if there are things in which is impossible for god to lie ,then, by extension there are things in which is possible for god to lie, which is not proper for an ethically perfect god.
Ginosko,
I didn't want to sound like I was ribbing people, but basically, I couldn't answer it for you because I believe that you have a wonderful experience ahead of you. This will be hard to explain without sounding really uppity, but if indeed you need to ask the question, "why don't we have proof", then it tells me that you don't yet know what 'christian' is.
Remember, "an evil generation seeks for a sign", because without the sign they would not choose to see life - and with the sign they would be "buying and selling". There is a good reason that there isn't proof and that scriptures are not understood.
But, "take heed how you hear, for to him who has more will be given", and there are some ways of hearing that I don't think you want to really take on - jwism for starters.
paduan
when i was a jw...i just got baptized on my sixteenth birthday...i was thrilled and excited ...i went to iowa to visit a sister who i had a close relationship with.
when i got there...i was given entry into a brother's house where they were having a huge bbq where steaks were on the grill...and the brother made four steaks...and set one steak aside for himself and declared it was his.
i asked why ...he said "cause i like my steak medium rare.
otherwise you would not have made such a statement but would have believed in what the texts, the product of such Holy Spirit were teaching
But I do Joseph. My statement is basically that the advice given by the apostles regarding blood, both seemed good to them AND the Holy Spirit (who to me is not "it"). And, the advice was given in the manner of the Holy Spirit speaking - just as with Jesus spoke of His blood and Moses spoke of the 'culinary' advice - i.e. it is not a literal teaching, but a spiritual one. The apostles did not mistake this matter.
Were you a jw?
paduan
isn't it true that the roman catholic church put together the bible (canonized the books), and decided the order and all that?
if this isn't true set me straight please.. what do the witnesses think about this?
is it (the bible) just as valid if part of "christendom" decided which books of the bible would be included?
It really is amazing what bigboi just pointed out - no matter what you show to a jw or what they experience, there's always a rationalisation to be found. I have no doubt that this contributes largely to the frustration that people have with them.
Who can possibly stop some of them charging down the hill?
paduan
i asked this q in another thread but thought the question might fit in better over here in bible research .
thinking out loud again.
it doesn't seem to matter what bible you read, unless you're looking for discrepancies in translation it's not easy to just abandon the big picture.
As I asked, what do jws think 'inspired' even means?
Sounds like another word for the jw to english dictionary - inspired : jw language = historically accurate
paduan
i find this on an us site fore religius disskusion, .
june 14, 2000, wednesday, final .
section: news; a1 / front .
If it was about eating vegetables even the borg would have looked further into it long ago - fact is, most people aren't into blood, so it's not too hard to put people off it.
But in the information age, even the dubs will see an end to it - soon enough transfusions will be accepted, not just tolerated, and more so as people in science work to make it even safer - funny thing how that 'new light' just keeps coming.
paduan
Edited by - A paduan on 1 September 2002 18:54:4
i want to get an idea of how many people have left the org in the past five years.
which of the following years did you leave?.
1998 i left.
I am so happy for you.
paduan
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pamy was baptised, but since then she had not eaten spiritual food - now older she was getting quite hungry.
then she was approached and shown all the splendour of the earth and told, "all this could be yours" - if only she would agree to revere and serve.. well, we can't all be switched on as christ.. paduan
Pamy was baptised, but since then she had not eaten spiritual food - now older she was getting quite hungry . Then she was approached and shown all the splendour of the earth and told, "all this could be yours" - if only she would agree to revere and serve.
Well, we can't all be switched on as Christ.
paduan
comforter was driving down the mowterway this afternoon and a ambulance came by looking like it was getting up to save somebody's life.
comforter then thought to himself.
is this life all thar is?
is this life all there is?
I hope your not still going from "house to house" comfy - or asking people in hospitals to die for yo-hobah.
paduan